Post by thekorestar on Aug 21, 2014 21:29:41 GMT -5
So after thoroughly going through the DML (Definitions Master List) I found two 'gender identities' that would best fit me. But I don't know which would suit me more, I guess you could say. Could someone give me a clearer definition of Agender and Neutrois? (Perhaps I'm over thinking it..)
To start, I am 'female' and was born that way. However I have never felt comfortable in my body, nor do I think I would be comfortable in a males. And after coming to an odd conclusion, I've also found out I closely relate to being a misanthrope which could be a slight hint into why I don't like/ wouldn't like one or the other body.
There are a lot of people in this world. There are those who judge, There are those who lie, and there are those who lay, and those who are unique. Which kind are you?
Post by alternativepetrock on Aug 22, 2014 8:50:23 GMT -5
From what i've recently heard: Agender is without gender. So to quote someone i know, "you dont even have a gender sign to put a label on" (if that makes sense)
And Neutrois is not male or female, but not in between. Sorta like an alternate word for 'third gender'. At least that is how i view it and use it. In between would be Androgynous.
If you feel like you dont even understand what the heck people are talking about when they ask about your gender, then Agender might fit you. If you feel that words like Nerd or Crazy should be gender words, then Neutrois probably works better for you.
But this is all just from how i understand these terms. I identify as Neutrois. Which is actually pronounces Neutra, from what i've heard. Weird right? Correct me if that's wrong please
I hope that more people will reply to this because I'm a little curious as well. I understand agender fairly well as a friend of mine recently started identifying as such. And they said that although being born female, they never felt female. They also said that they wouldn't be comfortable as identifying as male either...so they are neither. Neither male nor female--agender. (Though they still are comfortable in their bio-female body.) As for neutrois...I thought it was similar to agender? But even more neutral so that they would rather their body not have any evidence of biological sex/gender. So yeah, correct me if I'm wrong on that cause I've seen several neutrois people on AVEN, but I'm not sure on the difference. : ) Sorry if I'm totally wrong!
In the end, it is what you're comfortable with identifying. : ) I am female but androgynous. I am somewhere in the middle. I used to get offended when people would mistake me for a boy, but I've decided to embrace my androgyny instead.
Post by catsaregood on Sept 19, 2014 7:06:26 GMT -5
I'd love to read more responses to this too! I was just starting to look into this when AVEN went down, so I'm trying to work more out without quite knowing where to go for more info and experiences...I'm bio-female, and am quite feminine (long hair, skirts, makeup, jewellery) but I'm also uncomfortable with having a chest, and with having stuff 'down there' to deal with, both on a monthly basis and just having a 'down there'...I've never been at home with my feminine form, although I'm happy with skirts etc. But I think it's like creating a picture, when I dress, do my hair, put makeup on - when I put nail polish on I feel like I'm faking being a woman, I feel like I'm a man putting on nail polish (well, that's how it seems to me). Quite bizarre. I'm also broad-shouldered and quite strong - I split wood, move old railway sleepers to make garden beds - I'm happy with my strong biceps and strong quads. I don't know how much of my confusion is linked to me being ace and not wanting to appear sexually attractive to people who like females, and how much it's to do with being more neutrois or agender. I know I'd be very happy without a uterus and ovaries, and probably just as happy without breasts. I've often thought about having a hysterectomy, but I couldn't afford it as elective surgery, and it's not usually done without significant medical reasons. But really, I just don't know. Very confused.
The difference I have come to understand is that agender is identifying as neither male nor female nor in the middle. Neutrois is identifying as a 'third' gender, with added a disociation from your (gendered) body, you want a neutral body instead. Agender is more about actual gender state without 'caring' about the body you're in.
For myself, I went for agender for a while, becuase I didn't feel female. I even thought about neutrois, because I sometimes get uncomfortable with being female, especially during my 'monthly phases' and sometimes on random days I hate having a chest. In some things I'm similar to cats, I present female, and will wear skirts or dresses if I feel like them, but can just as easily want to look less female. At one point I realised that calling myself 'agender' was also a name for a gender, where what I felt was that I'm not female, but also not specifically anything else, so I now go by non-binary, and still use female pronouns because it is easier and something I'm used to anyway.
I hope this is understandable, I find it difficult to explain the terms.
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blomdor: Hope everyone is well out there. Looks like AVEN's borked. Again.
Feb 20, 2019 0:32:20 GMT -5
kimmie: Yeah its been awhile. Even the start up site outside of the forum is down
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firewallflower: The irony is that I wouldn't actually be on AVEN now if the site were functioning, but since it's down, I feel compelled to keep checking for any change. I should, however, go to bed—and will do so.
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firewallflower: Keep calm and carry on and send good thoughts towards whatever tech people are working on this, I guess? And in the meantime, cake.
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